தமிழர் சமயம் – 2: அதன் பிரச்சினைகளும், விளைவுகளும்

“The Religion of Tamils”: Vatican council – II and the implications

The invited Hindu heads and participating Hindus do not know either the Vatican Council II documents or its implications. They were simply enjoying the evening, when the Catholics went on swearing on the Articles 2 and 5 of Nostra Aetate[1]. The following has been the declaration[2] on the relation of the church to non-christian religions “Nostra aetate” proclaimed by his holiness Pope Paul VI on October 28, 1965. The implications are offered in brackets.

ON OCTOBER 28, 1965

1. In our time, when day by day mankind is being drawn closer together, and the ties between different peoples are becoming stronger, the Church examines more closely he relationship to non-Christian religions. In her task of promoting unity and love among men, indeed among nations, she considers above all in this declaration what men have in common and what draws them to fellowship.

N  The church has been watching, rather spying other believers to find out their differences, deviations and other aspects, particularly in India, because of other economic, political and fiscal reasons.

N  Though claim is made to find out the common in men and draw them to fellowship is nothing but indirect attempt of converting Hindus under such camouflage.

One is the community of all peoples, one their origin, for God made the whole human race to live over the face of the earth.(1) One also is their final goal, God. His providence, His manifestations of goodness, His saving design extend to all men,(2) until that time when the elect will be united in the Holy City, the city ablaze with the glory of God, where the nations will walk in His light.(3)

N  In the souvenir distributed on 15-08-2008, the articles printed clearly show that the very same language is used, but in Tamil. However, in spite of pointing out, the Hindu-delegates unfortunately know nothing and they are also not interested in knowing things.

N  When Bede Griffiths, Hans Staffner and others tried with elite-Hindus, it is evident that these “experts and manufacturers” have been trying with the gullible, naive and innocent Hindus.

Men expect from the various religions answers to the unsolved riddles of the human condition, which today, even as in former times, deeply stir the hearts of men: What is man? What is the meaning, the aim of our life? What is moral good, what sin? Whence suffering and what purpose does it serve? Which is the road to true happiness? What are death, judgment and retribution after death? What, finally, is that ultimate inexpressible mystery which encompasses our existence: whence do we come, and where are we going?

N  In the souvenir, these ideas could be seen – p.no.12, 19, 27etc.

N  Actually, the Christianity has heavily borrowed from the Hindu religion. Scholars[3] have already pointed out that the very concept of “Christos” has been derived from “Krishna”[4] and the New Testament apocrypha has been the replica of Bhagawata Purana[5].

N  In Hindu religion, many philosophical mysteries of man, God, Universe etc., have been discussed and come to conclusion and therefore, it is ridiculous that they should propose such exigencies for us here.

2. From ancient times down to the present, there is found among various peoples a certain perception of that hidden power which hovers over the course of things and over the events of human history; at times some indeed have come to the recognition of a Supreme Being, or even of a Father. This perception and recognition penetrates their lives with a profound religious sense.

N  If the Christians are poor in understanding such “hidden power”, let them learn and acknowledge from Hindus instead of copying and then declaring other way. Now, people can understand that the Christians have been borrowers and imitators of other religions and that has been the growth and development of Christianity, as it has nothing original.

N  Unfortunately, because of their make dominate bible and theological concepts, they are always worried about “Father” relegating “Mother” to second place or considered just for begetting “Jesus”, that too without the aid of “Father’. But, we Indians / Hindus are more concerned about “Mother” and lf course “Father” also!

Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination. Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing “ways,” comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.(4)

N  Thus acknowledging the philosophical superiority of Hindus, the Christians should learn from them instead of carrying out propaganda and spreading canard like this, that too, using frauds, forgers and manufacturers of false-evidences.

N  It is their arrogance revealed when they claim that “The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions” – who are they to do so? In fact, it has be taken differently, the other religions should be careful about the activities of the Catholics, as they have been only trying to destroy, disparage and blaspheme other religions by carrying out such spurious researches.

N  As you always want to proclaim like this: “Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself” Why worry about other religions and inter-religious dialogue and so on?

The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men.

N  There is no necessity for wasting time like this for others as long as you want them to be the “….witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men……”. Thus it is evident that you want to destroy and not preserve.

3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.

N  For this, the Muslims have to respond and it is well known that they would handle them in the same way, how they deal with others.

4. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham”s stock.

Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God”s saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ-Abraham”s sons according to faith (6)-are included in the same Patriarch”s call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people”s exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.(8)

The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: “theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh” (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church”s main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ”s Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and “serve him shoulder to shoulder” (Soph. 3:9).(12)

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel”s spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.

Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is, therefore, the burden of the Church”s preaching to proclaim the cross of Christ as the sign of God”s all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.

5. We cannot truly call on God, the Father of all, if we refuse to treat in a brotherly way any man, created as he is in the image of God. Man”s relation to God the Father and his relation to men his brothers are so linked together that Scripture says: “He who does not love does not know God” (1 John 4:8).

No foundation therefore remains for any theory or practice that leads to discrimination between man and man or people and people, so far as their human dignity and the rights flowing from it are concerned.

The Church reproves, as foreign to the mind of Christ, any discrimination against men or harassment of them because of their race, color, condition of life, or religion. On the contrary, following in the footsteps of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, this sacred synod ardently implores the Christian faithful to “maintain good fellowship among the nations” (1 Peter 2:12), and, if possible, to live for their part in peace with all men,(14) so that they may truly be sons of the Father who is in heaven.(15)

N  The Indians / Hindus have been fed up with the activities of the Christians and their spurious researches.

N  Sivaprakasar had condemned them severely for their anti-Saivite activities and therefore he had to create awareness among the Tamils / Hindus at his time by composing two works to refute the baseless Christianity. But the so-called Beschi, the promoter of Tamil burned the work.

N  Thus during 19th and 20th centuries, there had been many works like “Esumatha Nirakaranam” etc., as these Christian used to create nonsense among the Hindus.

N  Now in the age of globalization, they want to do mischief differently.

N  Therefore, Tamil-Hindus have take note of ther mischief and counter them appropriately.




1. Cf. Acts 17:26

2. Cf. Wis. 8:1; Acts 14:17; Rom. 2:6-7; 1 Tim. 2:4

3. Cf. Apoc. 21:23f.

4. Cf 2 Cor. 5:18-19

5. Cf St. Gregory VII, letter XXI to Anzir (Nacir), King of Mauritania (Pl. 148, col. 450f.)

6. Cf. Gal. 3:7

7. Cf. Rom. 11:17-24

8. Cf. Eph. 2:14-16

9. Cf. Lk. 19:44

10. Cf. Rom. 11:28

11. Cf. Rom. 11:28-29; cf. dogmatic Constitution, Lumen Gentium (Light of nations) AAS, 57 (1965) pag. 20

12. Cf. Is. 66:23; Ps. 65:4; Rom. 11:11-32

13. Cf. John. 19:6

14. Cf. Rom. 12:18

15. Cf. Matt. 5:45

[1] Souvenir, second page, In the greetings from the archbishop.

[2] .http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

[3] J. M. Robertson and others.

[4] CFC Volney in Ruins of Empires.

[5] One has to read to understand – how the Jesus imitates Krishna in playing with children, carrying a demon – Christopher etc.


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  1. vedaprakash Says:

    தமிழர் சமயம், வாடிகன் கவுன்சில் – 2 , அதன் விளைவுகள் என்று ஆங்கிலத்தில் இங்கே பதிவு செய்திருந்தேன். மறுபடியும் கிருத்துவர்கள் அப்பிரச்சினைய எழுப்பியுள்ளதால், இங்கு தொடர்கிறேன்.


  2. vedaprakash Says:

    1. brahmallahchrist Says:
    Posted on August 17th, 2008

    I was watching the proceedings as an observer.

    One gentleman was enquiring particularly, the “Hindu-like appearing” persons – Swami Sdahasivananda, T. S. Mahalingam, Perungavikko V. M. Sethuraman and others as to whether they knew anything about Vatican Council, as the Christians were very often mentioning it in their speeches.

    Unfortunately, all of them responded negatively.

    Therefore, this has been condition of “religious awareness” even at the elite-Hindu level and that is why Hindus are fooled by these inter-religious dialoguers and other masquerades.

  3. vedaprakash Says:

    2. devapriyas Says:
    Posted on August 19th, 2008

    Pope very clearly said that Saint.Thomas could have at the maximum come to Western Pakistan, and not to the India in particular, on Keralite church Threatening a meaningless explanation was given, and Pope’s Catholic Site has removed that Explanation.

    Vatican is clear St.Thomas never visited India.

    In 1960-90 ArchBishop Arulappa masterminded by Abusing Tirukural and got a distarted meaning and arranged for Ancient Manuscripts for his Distorted meaning – Case ended up in Police and Catholic CHURCH Made OUT-OF COURT Compromise allowing Acharya Paul Ganesh retain maximum given estimated to be above 1.5 Million Rupees.

    CRIMINAL Work is now repeated again.

    If this is Dialogue then I am willing to discuss that Churh Funded Criminal Research Crooked Book “Viviliam-Tirukural-Saivasiththantham”.

    Does Vatican Council allow such Criminal Activiites.

  4. vedaprakash Says:

    3. brahmallahchrist Says:
    Posted on August 19th, 2008

    Here, the role of Vatican Council – II and its implications on the conference organized by the Madras Catholics and CBCI is duiscussed.

    You mention about the “mythical thomas” here, as done in the other entry.

    1. You allege that, “CRIMINAL Work is now repeated again”, where is the proof?

    2. If this is Dialogue then I am willing to discuss that Churh Funded Criminal Research Crooked Book “Viviliam-Tirukural-Saivasiththantham” – that is over and the Church got what they wanted. Vedaprakash in his postings in http://www.indiainteracts.com and Ishwar Sharan in http://www.hamsa.org have provided all details. If you could provide more details welcome.

    However, now the question about the current activities and proceedings involving “Tamizhar samayam”.

    3. Your question, “Does Vatican Council allow such Criminal Activiites” has to be answered by the Church only or by our learned friends like Marvin Olasky, Francis Xavier Clooney and others .

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